Thursday, September 11, 2008

Remember 9/11

22 comments:

bisnis-in said...

I'm sad during watching the clip...

Torbjørn said...

That was a spectacular and insane piece of action.

Personally, I remember 9/11 in a slighly different way as well, as it is my daughter's 6th birthday.

Pigeon said...

I was waiting for the non PC joke that never came.
You've changed W.

PS: Give me back my 4'30''

Pigeon said...

Torbjørn, happy birthday to you daughter who is 13 today if my math skills are intact.

Torbjørn said...

Well, I realized immideately that I should have stressed that THIS 9/11 is her 6th birthday.

Wilhelm said...

Congrats to your daughter, and to you, of course

Wilhelm said...

PS: Give me back my 4'30''

...as soon as you give me back the hour I spent in front of the screen watching 12 Monkeys.

I'm thinkin' YOU owe ME.

Time-thief >:-(

Cathy said...

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 12 Monkeys is my favourite movie! Of all times! All 12 of them;) Even Fellini and Almodovar (and I do adore their movies) have trouble equalizing Terry's "chef d'oeuvre".
.....Hope my phrase doesn't contain too many french words though...

Cathy said...

Yep, I got mixed up in my own thoughts...again. All I wanted to say is "I owe you that hour, not Pigeon". Blame him for something else, I get to take credit for this one :(

Anders said...

.....Hope my phrase doesn't contain too many french words though...

I believe the correct expression is "Pardon my french"...

Wilhelm said...

I was waiting for the non PC joke that never came.
You've changed W.


Yeah well; aren't I the constant disappointment.

In all seriousness though; people who lived stateside when it happened tend to have a somewhat different view than those who didn't. Especially if the incident affected them personally or affected someone they know.

For those who didn't live there or were close to someone it affected, it's pretty much like watching footage from an eartquale in SE Asia; it sucks and all, but these things happen, right?

Proximity alters perspective

Wilhelm said...

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 12 Monkeys is my favourite movie! Of all times! All 12 of them;) Even Fellini and Almodovar (and I do adore their movies) have trouble equalizing Terry's "chef d'oeuvre".
.....Hope my phrase doesn't contain too many french words though...


.....for the life of me I don't understand the fascination with 12 Primates. Then again I don't find Fellini to be fascinating in any way, shape or form either.

I believe the correct expression is "Pardon my french"...

Anders: That particular use of this expression sounds awfully familiar to me........

Anders said...

For those who didn't live there or were close to someone it affected, it's pretty much like watching footage from an eartquale in SE Asia; it sucks and all, but these things happen, right?

Proximity alters perspective


Yes, it sure does. But the rest of the world was in horror as well, and even some arabic countries sent their heartfelt condolances to the US. Not to go all political here, but I do think that some the indifference to clips like that from people on this side of the pond, is due to how the US and president Bush handled the situation in the time after 2001.

Anders said...

I just have to say that I'm with Wilhelm on the 12 monkeys thing. It's horrible.

Anders: That particular use of this expression sounds awfully familiar to me........

:-D

Wilhelm said...

Not to go all political here, but I do think that some the indifference to clips like that from people on this side of the pond, is due to how the US and president Bush handled the situation in the time after 2001.

Like WAY intot he aftermath - sure. However; immediately following the attacks, President Bush handled it really well. Not to mention that CNN were very tactful the first two weeks.

Norwegian media showed people jumping from the burning buildings into certain death. We never saw those images until way later, because - surprisingly, American media were much more conscientious in that particular situation. I'm not sure why anyone would want to see that or why they felt compelled to show this footage. At least CNN didn't show this while people were still tying to ascertain whether their family, friends or relatives were in the towers. That visual doesn't help you if you're trying to get in contact with your wife or husband who's working in WTC2 and the phones are down.

Wilhelm said...

I just have to say that I'm with Wilhelm on the 12 monkeys thing. It's horrible.

Hypothetical question: If t5hey'd actually HAD 12 monkeys as the actual cast; would the movie had been better or worse?

Wilhelm said...

Torbjørn, happy birthday to you daughter who is 13 today if my math skills are intact.

Oh and Pigeon: Epic Math Skillz brotha' :-)

Anders said...

Like WAY intot he aftermath - sure. However; immediately following the attacks, President Bush handled it really well.

Well, let's just settle for that the jury is still out on how good Bush's handled this. The major in NY, Rudy Galliano, on the other hand, I think we both can agree on did a remarkeble job in the hours/days/months after.

But I'm not really talking about the act itself or clean-up after that. I'm still amazed of how handled this internationally. Alienating old allies, screwing any sympathy from "more hostile" nations, etc. USA could have gotten a lot more international co-operations that would really have helped them in the war against terrorism. Not saying that I have a better solution or anything, just that I'm really surprised of how bad they handled it.

Norwegian media showed people jumping from the burning buildings into certain death. We never saw those images until way later, because - surprisingly, American media were much more conscientious in that particular situation.

Great that the US media did those considerations early on. I'll give them full credit for that. But in defence for the Norwegian medias; I'm sure that the US media did show people drowning in the Tsunami early on. Again, proximity alters perspective.

Wilhelm said...

Well, let's just settle for that the jury is still out on how good Bush's handled this. The major in NY, Rudy Galliano, on the other hand, I think we both can agree on did a remarkeble job in the hours/days/months after.

Absolutely. However, I stand by my assessment that Bush did a good job right up until he started defining axes of evil and looking for someone to blow up.

Great that the US media did those considerations early on. I'll give them full credit for that. But in defence for the Norwegian medias; I'm sure that the US media did show people drowning in the Tsunami early on. Again, proximity alters perspective.

Agree - but the proximity thing is exactly what I'm talking about. When stuff happens close to you, it's a bit harder to be shooting off jokes and stuff

Anders said...


Absolutely. However, I stand by my assessment that Bush did a good job right up until he started defining axes of evil and looking for someone to blow up.


Well, his work wasn't perfect, and like he started off real bad with the reading of a children's book at an elementary school and the US allowed members of the Bin Laden family to leave USA just days after 9/11. However, nobody did was prepared for a situation like this and he may not be personally responsible for all these actions, so I won't judge him on that. Let's just agree that it wasn't in this phase Bush scr*wed up.

What I do not like, is the "axes of evil", the total ignorance for international agreements and human rights (f.x. Guantanamo Bay), invading Iraq, lying to the UN about weapons of mass destruction, pissing off Arabic nations which leads to more recruiting of terrorists, imposing ridiculous "security" measurements (which means I personally get fondled at least once a year at Gardermoen, and that I won't go to the US), the "Homeland Security Act" which are way to intrusive on people's privacy and rights, etc, etc, etc. So, yeah, I do agree that the worst thing about Bush wasn't the job he did in the few weeks after 9/11, all the things that came after.

Anders said...

I can't believe I mispelled Giuliani "Galliano". I've must have been really thirsty and ready for the weekend at work today... Cheers!
:-D

Wilhelm said...

"Homeland Security Act"

I know this one all too well